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Comment from: l0rd 0f t3h sqw3r3lz [Member] Email
Hey Tommy!

I was with ya up until you made the claim "Money is the one and only means of survival." Do you really mean this, or is this based upon the context of the perception of some individuals in a civilization?
After all, is not the means of survival on a primitive level the same no matter the cultural construct? Basic means of survival might be: don't lose too much blood, don't fall off a cliff, watch out for the dangerous means of survival from other creatures. I mean, one could argue that money could come a long way in eliminating a means of survival like 'go to the doctor to make sure you don't have cancer,' but these are more complicated forms of survival (or, technically not-dying prematurely).
Actually, civilization has given us, among other things, the opportunity for research whose benefits almost surpass the negative side-effects of itself. By analogy to your work here, Tribes are formed to benefit mankind and to ease the individual, despite some weaknesses (warfare, hygienic disease, interdependence). So too has civilization intended to give benefits, except on a larger scale. A scientist might say that this is an example of the extension of the effects of evolution. After all, the human body is in practice a civilization of particles brought together to benefit (how to define benefit on the atomic level is for another discussion) the collective.

Be well!

-Tiki
10/23/10 @ 23:58
Comment from: in2it [Member] Email · http://www.biocracy.info/blog
well if you ask someone how they plan to survive and they answer, "By making a lot of money." - okay question answered. But if the answer to that question is "By not falling off a cliff." - then the question would not be answered. Not falling off a cliff is not a *means* of survival nor is avoiding car accidents. They can allow you to keep on living but they are not going to provide you with food shelter and clothing.

and if one lacks the money to go to a doctor doesn't that make my point about money

tribes are not formed to benefit mankind but to benefit the individuals comprising the tribe who could care less about mankind ie other tribes

and you say "…*almost* surpassing the side-effects of itself" - not a very strong argument in favor of civilization
10/24/10 @ 13:40

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